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        &lt;b&gt;This Methodology Guide was developed collaboratively by the project members of “Free Access to Law – Is it Here to Stay?”&lt;/b&gt;
        
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   <dc:date>2011-11-23T09:25:27Z</dc:date>
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   <dc:date>2012-06-21T10:19:00Z</dc:date>
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    <title>Living in a Fish Bowl</title>
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        &lt;b&gt;Though India needs a comprehensive law on the right to privacy, it may not be ready for something as avant garde as the “right to be forgotten” on the Internet, argues Shuma Raha&lt;/b&gt;
        &lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The article by Shuma Raha was &lt;a class="external-link" href="http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140716/jsp/opinion/story_18619655.jsp#.U8YcmY2Sz6I"&gt;published in the Telegraph&lt;/a&gt; on July 16, 2014. Sunil Abraham gave his inputs.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;If you do a Google search for journalist and television personality Barkha Dutt, a raft of scurrilous information about her pops up. It isn’t tucked away somewhere on the 10th page either — it’s all up front, right there in “autosuggest”, almost prompting you to go and check it out. And thanks to Google’s search algorithm, the more people click on that link, it further strengthens the score for that “hit”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Dutt says she has brought the matter to the attention of Google, but to no avail. “I have lost interest in the whole struggle,” she says. “But Google definitely needs to do something about the slanderous, inaccurate, fictional information out there that creates a narrative of its own.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Well, in Europe at least, the tech giant has taken a step in that direction. Late last month, it started erasing search results that threw up information deemed to be “irrelevant”, “outdated” or “excessive”. The move came after the European Court of Justice ruled that Internet search engines would have to allow people the “right to be forgotten” in specific cases and accordingly, take down information about them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The European Court ruling has triggered a huge debate since an individual’s right to be forgotten seems to be at complete loggerheads with people’s right to know. Nevertheless, it’s a landmark decision when it comes to right to privacy on the Internet. After all, the online space has perma-memory and inaccurate or irrelevant or outdated information about a person can be embedded there forever, damaging him or her in manifold ways.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;So how far are we in India from securing the right to be forgotten on the Internet?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The short answer to that is, very far. That is because India does not have a well-defined privacy regime wherein one could envisage a court of law handing out a similar — and some would say a somewhat radical — order on a Google or a Bing. “The right to be forgotten is a bit too advanced for us,” says Sunil Abraham, director, Centre for Internet and Society, a non-profit organisation that works on policy issues relating to freedom of expression and privacy. “After all, we are yet to come up with a privacy and data protection regime that implements the best practices of European countries.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Adds Apar Gupta, a Delhi-based lawyer, who has written extensively on privacy issues, “Sector specific privacy legislation do exist, but they do not provide substantive rights or efficient remedy in case of violations.”&lt;br /&gt;No one disputes that India should get a right to privacy law, especially one that relates to the collection, processing and use of personal data. Right now the government’s surveillance mechanisms like the Central Monitoring System and the Lawful Interception and Monitoring Systems allow security agencies and income tax authorities to intercept communication, snoop on phone conversations, read emails and SMSes with little or no safeguards for privacy protection.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;A right to privacy bill has, in fact, been in the works since as early as 2011. But the government has been dragging its feet over it. Early this year, a new version of the draft bill was “leaked” to the press. But few are happy with it. On the positive side, it raises the penalty for unlawful interception of communication (from Rs 1 lakh to Rs 2 crore) and increases penalties for other offences such as obtaining personal data under false pretexts. But crucially, it almost wholly exempts intelligence agencies from the purview of the law, thereby allowing them unbridled access to personal information. Of course, no one knows if this “leaked” draft is indeed the official one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Experts say that the government should really formulate a right to privacy law based on the recommendations of a committee chaired by Justice A.P. Shah. The report, which was published in 2012, proposes that the right to privacy be statutorily extended to all Indians. It recommends, among other things, the appointment of privacy commissioners and the formulation of certain “national privacy principles” such as taking the consent of the individual prior to the collection of data, allowing him the choice to withdraw such consent, limiting the use of personal information to the stated purpose and so on. The privacy principles would apply to all data collectors in both private and public sectors.&lt;br /&gt;There are, of course, a number of provisions in existing laws that relate to privacy. For example, Rule 419A of the Indian Telegraph Rules, 1951, sets down certain privacy safeguards such as maintaining details about the officer ordering an intercept of telecommunication.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Moreover, Section 66E of the Information Technology Act, 2000, prescribes “punishment for the violation of privacy” (in the context of capturing “private” images of a person without his or her consent); Section 43A lays down that a “body corporate” will be liable to pay compensation in case it fails to protect personal data gathered in the course of its operation; and Section 79 stipulates that “intermediaries” — entities such as Google, Facebook, Twitter — would have to take down any information stored or transmitted by them that is found to be grossly harassing, defamatory, blasphemous, obscene, pornographic and so on, within 36 hours of being notified.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Of course, this section of the IT Act has been roundly criticised as arbitrary and Draconian, but that is another story.&lt;br /&gt;The point is that despite the fair number of privacy provisions, in the absence of a comprehensive law, the untrammelled and unauthorised use of personal data cannot be ruled out. “Every country in the world collects personal data. But once the data are collected for a particular purpose they should not be used for any other purpose. The law has to be in a position to catch the violators,” says Kamlesh Bajaj, CEO of Data Security Council of India, an organisation that works to promote data protection and privacy best practices.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;As always, the key issue is that an individual’s right to privacy has to be balanced with public interest. And it is in that context that experts feel that even if India were to have a privacy law, it is probably not ready for something akin to the European Court ruling on the right to be forgotten. As Gupta says, “It raises a real danger of public personalities blocking legitimate journalism on grounds of privacy. This is specially true in a country like India which permits a high degree of illegality in the name of secrecy and confidentiality.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Abraham agrees with that view. “I’m not sure if the right to be forgotten will enhance privacy or usher in a level of censorship,” he says.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;As Europe grapples with that debate, India’s privacy warriors are asking for something far more fundamental — a comprehensive law that guarantees the right to privacy to all.&lt;/p&gt;
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        <dc:subject>Internet Governance</dc:subject>
    
    
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   <dc:date>2014-07-16T07:15:22Z</dc:date>
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    <title>Lives suspended in the Web</title>
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        &lt;b&gt;When 14-year-old Manish sits behind his laptop, punching away at keys, his facial expressions reflecting his various online interactions, his parents stand in the doorway, watching curiously. Their son is physically at home, but to all purposes, lost in the limbo of the Internet. By all standards, Manish is a good, responsible young adult but his parents worry because they don’t seem to have any control over Manish’s online life. They find it difficult to understand the digital realms that he seamlessly integrates into his life.&lt;/b&gt;
        
&lt;p&gt;As young people across the country are creating these new hybrid physical-digital spaces of work, leisure and lifestyle, the “analogue generations” remain outside, concerned about how they can ensure that their children are safe online, and not abusing the power of this largely unregulated space.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Their paranoia is amplified by the stories of uncontrolled access to pornography, of children falling prey to sexual predators, fears of intellectual property theft, and subversive and violent mobilisations that the young orchestrate through these online networks. The need to regulate, control and design this digital environment that so many of these young people inhabit is countered by their own ignorance and lack of control over these spaces. Technological solutions, like cyber-nannies and filtering software that prevent access to websites that can have questionable content, have eventually proven to be futile preventatives.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Attempts at technology-based censorship are useless because these young people, digital natives, find ways to circumvent the attempts at controlling their access. It is clear that the solutions are outside of technology, and not very different from ways in which parents have always dealt with these questions.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here are the top five ways to do so, which do not require a parent to become a netizen overnight, but can get them involved and make sure young users of technology remain responsible, safe and canny in their interactions online.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Monitored access: Instead of figuring out censorship software, parents need to learn that as with the TV, monitored access for younger users of the Internet is completely valid. Web 2.0 rhetoric promotes a strong sense of individualism and privacy and parents often feel like they are intruding on a child’s “private” time online. However, it is completely valid for parents to be in the same room and keeping an eye on what their child is up to while surfing.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Limited time: Instead of trying to control the content, try and help the young person to efficiently manage time and digital resources. We live in a world where the impulse to stay constantly connected is very strong. However, there is no reason why the young user has to be online in all their free time. If they are given a specified number of hours a week to spend online, they learn to use their time more efficiently. Password-protect the computers, take limited expenditure accounts for their mobile phones and have strict rules (which everybody in the family has to follow) about interface access during family time.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shared computers: As computing becomes more personal, young users access the Internet from many computing devices like cellphones, personal laptops, etc. Studies have shown that young users who use shared machines kept in common areas of the house are less prone to accessing undesirable material online. Do not keep the computing devices in bedrooms. Use shared studies or quiet corners of the living room.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Get digital and involved: One of the reasons why young people often do not communicate with parents about their technological forays is because the older generation professes a digital disconnect. Take this opportunity to initiate a two-way learning. Get your children to teach you on how to use certain platforms and websites, and in conversations, you might be able to educate them about responsible behaviour online. This peer-to-peer connection helps establish trust and a safe space to discuss problematic areas. Parents of teenagers who join social networks like Facebook and Tumblr, and get to be a part of the child’s life, often find new channels of communication opening up for them.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Storytelling: Digital storytelling has huge potential for voicing concerns and problems. For these young people, the spaces provided online are safe spaces. They write freely, tell stories, create digital content, providing a gateway into what is happening in their lives. Recognise the creative potential of young users, appreciate their ability to tell these stories — through blogs, micro-blogs, audio and video podcasts, commentary on other content, etc. Getting them to tell stories and sharing your own with them makes for greater insight. Many cross-generational storytelling projects, where younger children tell the stories of the older people in the house, or write a combined blog have proven to be quite successful online.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At the end of the day, it is good to remember that the problems that new technologies throw up are not necessarily new. The solutions need to be found in our everyday interactions and practices, and dependence on technological application is often counter-productive. Technology can only be a way by which solutions are implemented.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The article by Nishant Shah was published in the Indian Express on March 11, 2011. The original can be read &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a class="external-link" href="http://www.indianexpress.com/news/lives-suspended-in-the-web/760976/1"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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        <dc:subject>Digital Natives</dc:subject>
    

   <dc:date>2011-04-01T15:45:39Z</dc:date>
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    <title>Live Webinar on Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership </title>
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        &lt;b&gt;Anubha Sinha participated in this event organized by RCEP on July 27, 2016 in New Delhi.&lt;/b&gt;
        &lt;h3&gt;Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership&lt;/h3&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;is a proposed free trade agreement (FTA) between the ten member states of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) (Brunei, Burma (Myanmar), Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam) and the six states with which ASEAN has existing FTAs (Australia, China, India, Japan, South Korea and New Zealand).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://editors.cis-india.org/a2k/blogs/live-webinar-rcep" class="internal-link"&gt;Live Webinar RCEP Invite&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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        <dc:subject>Access to Knowledge</dc:subject>
    

   <dc:date>2016-08-04T15:07:25Z</dc:date>
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        For more details visit &lt;a href='http://editors.cis-india.org/a2k/blogs/live-webinar-rcep'&gt;http://editors.cis-india.org/a2k/blogs/live-webinar-rcep&lt;/a&gt;
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    <title>Live Chat: Win for Free Speech </title>
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        &lt;b&gt;Join us for a live chat at 5.30 pm on SC striking down the Section 66A of the IT Act which had permitted the arrest of people for posting "offensive content" on the internet. &lt;/b&gt;
        &lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The &lt;a class="external-link" href="http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/live-chat-hope-for-free-speech/article7028037.ece"&gt;live chat transcript&lt;/a&gt; was published in the Hindu on March 24, 2015. Geetha Hariharan participated in the live chat.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;In a victory for proponents of free speech, the Supreme Court today  struck down Section 66 A of the IT Act, which had permitted the arrest  of people for posting “offensive content” on the internet. However, the  Court upheld Section 69A, which allows the government to block websites  based on a set of rules.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;What are your views on this ruling? Join us for a live chat today at 5.30 pm with:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia, a practicing lawyer and author of "Offend, shock or  disturb: Free Speech under the constitution" forthcoming in OUP.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Geetha Hariharan, a Programme Officer at Centre for Internet and  Society, focusing on Internet governance and freedom of expression.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang, Lawyer and researcher at Alternative Law Forum working on free speech.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;and G Ananth Krishnan, Coordinating Editor with The Hindu&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: Hi all, welcome to the live chat on the Supreme Court's  much-celebrated decision to strike down Section 66 A of the IT Act.  There are caveats of course: For instance, the Court has upheld Section  69A, which allows the government to block websites based on a set of  rules.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:30&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: Welcome to Gautam Bhatia, a practicing lawyer and author of  "Offend, shock or disturb: Free Speech under the constitution"  forthcoming in OUP.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:31&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: Geetha Hariharan, a Programme Officer at Centre for Internet  and Society, focusing on Internet governance and freedom of expression.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:31&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: Lawrence Liang, Lawyer and researcher at Alternative Law Forum working on free speech.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;and&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;G Ananth Krishnan, Coordinating Editor with The Hindu&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:33&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From shraddha&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;This is landmark judgement,though.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:34&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Mystiquethinker&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I would like to ask you one thing was that necessary to abolish Sec66 A completely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: Yes, in my opinion it was. The terms of S. 66A - such as  "grossly offensive" - went beyond what is constitutionally permitted by  Article 19(2). It was impossible to "sever" these terms from the rest of  the section. In such cases, the Court has no alternative but to strike  down the section in its entirety.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:34&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Rohan&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I'm particularly interested in the relevance of Sec 66 A in West Bengal.  Over the last few years the TMC government has massively curbed freedom  of speech. Do you think this will deter the ruling party?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:35&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: Gautam, Geetha and Lawrence would you like to respond?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:35&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang: typing&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:37&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From kc&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;so does this mean its okay for anyone to say anything over the internet?  Does the internet need separate rules? Anything that cant be said over a  microphone or using any media shouldn't be said over the internet  either.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: No, the standard penal laws - against defamation, hate  speech (S. 153A), religious incitement (S. 295A) continue to apply. Yes,  the argument that the internet needs separate rules when it comes to  the *content* of speech was precisely what was rejected by the Court.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:38&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Jai&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I would like to ask what when people cross the boundary of decency when they post comments on social network?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:38&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang: So the court goes into this question of whether 66A  needed to go in its entirely or could it be saved. The ASG suggested  that it could be read down by the courts, and offered a range of ways it  coudl have been done. But the court responded to say that the  restrictions in 19(2) are clear, and if the impugned law does not fall  within it, then to ask for a reading that incorporates other principles  only in order to save it would be to do violence to the language of Sec.  66A&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;In para 49 they say&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;What the learned Additional Solicitor General is asking us to do is not  to read down Section 66A – he is asking for a wholesale substitution of  the provision which is obviously not possible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:38&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Geetha Hariharan: @Mystiquethinker: Section 66A makes it a criminal  offense to make any post on the Internet, that might “grossly offend” or  be “menacing”. If you happen to post false information (like a spoof),  with the purpose of annoying, inconveniencing, criminally intimidating  or causing hatred, you can be criminalized for that, too. However, the  terms "annoyance, inconvenience, hatred, ill-will", etc. are vague.  Section 66A does not define them. Applying the law to misuse it becomes  extremely easy then - and this has happened.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:38&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Supreme Court has struck a delicate balance&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:39&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From neerulal&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;It's a great step on part of judiciary. Infact it's the judicial  activism that washed much of the waste created by legislature. Hope it  was as experienced and sensible as judiciary..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:39&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From shraddha&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;according to me it's imp to important to amend it completely... coz it  directly infringes the article19(a) right to freedom of speech and  expression.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:40&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Danish Sheikh&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;why do you think the Court is so sparse in its analysis of the website blocking rules as opposed to 66A?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:40&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @ Jai - The boundaries of decency will be determined by  our existing penal laws - Sections 295A, 153A and the rest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:40&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: @gananth would you like to respond to the last one?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:41&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: on 69A&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Despite striking down Section 66A, Article 19(2) provides sufficient  grounds for the government to protect public peace. It is comprehensive  and is applicable to all media. Therefore, in a way, Section 66A was not  required at all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:42&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang: Danish, you are right. One wishes that the court had  paid as much attention to the Blocking orders as they did 66A. I feel  they have gone on a technical reading of the procedures established to  conclude that it is at least not as arbitrary as 66A, but fail to  acknowledge that the ways the orders have been operationalised  completely lack transparency and are hence arbitrary&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:42&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Eric&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I would say yes. The best and most practical control of social media  comes from the maturity of its users. We can make a useful presumption  that useless content will simply not be shared substantially. Instead of  making laws, we need to make mature citizens and users of social media.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:42&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From saurav&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;what are the others instruments available with govt. to curb cyber crimes ???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:42&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @ Guest - True, but you still need a *law* that would  authorise the police and other agencies to implement the restrictions  under Article 19(2) in specific situations. That is why we have speech  regulating provisions in the Indian Penal Code.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:43&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From shashi&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I think sec 66A should be amended and specific definition of "offence"  must be brought in, because there needs to reasonable restrictions under  article 19(2). But having such vague clauses shows how it can be  misused by people in power.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:44&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Geetha Hariharan: @saurav: As Gautam said, the IPC's provisions such as  Sections 153A and 295A are available to the government as limitations on  speech. In addition, there are other offences in the IT Act (Sections  66B to 67B).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:44&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Mystiquethinker&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;In my point of view there should be few limitation . You cannot say  anything to anybody. I am afraid what will be its result in future.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:45&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @ Shashi The Supreme Court has held before - in S.  Rangarajan's case - that causing offence doe not fall within Article  19(2). In fact, quoting the European Court of Human Rights, the Supreme  Court said that the freedom of speech is nothing without the freedom to  "offend, shock or disturb." That's actually why 19(2) is so specifically  worded, and restricts itself to "public order", "decency or morality",  "incitement to an offence", "defamation" etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:45&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang: @Mystiquethinker To add to the previous point, the court  also did consider whether they could apply the doctrine of severability  but concluded that because "The present is a case where, as has been  held above, Section 66A does not fall within any of the subject matters  contained in Article 19(2) and the possibility of its being applied for  purposes outside those subject matters is clear. We therefore hold that  no part of Section 66A is severable and the provision as a whole must be  declared unconstitutional."&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:47&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Ashish&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;is it means??Now morphed girls photo posting ,revealing individual secret to harm him/her physcologicaly is allowed publicly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang: Not at all. There are still other laws including  obscenity laws and privacy laws under the IT act that deal with this&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:47&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: What happens to all the cases already booked? Is the verdict retrospective?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:48&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @ Ashish No. There is the Indecent Representation of  Women Act, which prohibits that. There are also laws against blackmail  and criminal intimidation under the IPC.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:48&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Cherry&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;A remarkable judgement to free their speeches n voices&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang: absolutely, an important first step towards a free jurisprudence of the 21st century&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Sarpanch&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;66A declared unconstitutional - good. But, a religious hate-filled reaction will it still attract 295 IPC.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang: yes and 153A of the IPC amongst others&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Geek&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;If this is all about facebook, remove it and everyhing is fine!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang: sorry, but thats no longer an option after this judgment :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:49&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @ TheHindu: to the best of my knowledge, no. A judgment is not ordinarily retrospective. Subject to correction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:49&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Neel&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Doesn't the line of reasoning adopted by the SC throw open the possibility of other restrictive laws being questioned too?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Eric&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;There is plenty of scope for an independent regulator including  representatives of social media and internet users to regulate the  restrictions under Art 19(2). Giving the police or any other  governmental agency the power to prosecute potential offenders involves  the unnecessary risk of political bias which underlies the SC's  judgment. Clearly, severing the provision would have been messy.  Moreover, the judgment is an unapologetic thrust in the direction of  protecting fundamental rights.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From shashi&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;@Gautam one must not forget how social media can be used to incite  violence against a perticular community and force exodus (as happened in  Bangalore few years back). So, there has to be reasonable restrictions.  Else the government would look helpless in such incidents&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:50&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Cherry&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;i agree with the comment of mystiquethinker&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:50&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Panky&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Excellent decision from Court!!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:51&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: Gautam, a question for you from Shashi&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:51&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @ Neel Yes, it does. For instance, crucial to the Supreme  Court's reasoning is a distinction between incitement and advocacy, and  a need for proximity between speech and the 19(2) restrictions. Now if  you look at the cases where the Supreme Court upheld 295A (1957) and  sedition (1962), it did so on the specific understanding that there was  no need for proximity - a mere "tendency" was enough. But in this case,  the Supreme Court specifically says that the tendency must be to  *imminent public disorder*. Now that severely undermines the foundation  of 295A and especially sedition, because it's really hard to argue that  spreading disaffection against the government has an imminent  relationship with public disorder. So yes - I think it might just be  time to try and have some of those old judgments reviewed!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:51&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Shanmukh&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;@ Eric. Social censorship works in a society where everybody is educated  and mature. India isn't quite there yet. But this 66A was abused and  it's good that it is going away.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang: We perhaos need to be careful about the argument of  whether India is ready. That was the same logic that colonial  authorities use to introduce a number of speech regulating laws. Worth  having a look at Lala Lajpat Rai's reply to the Indian Cinematograph  Committee&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:52&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @ Shashi Yes, I agree. But 66A went far beyond those  reasonable restrictions. The Constitution allows for reasonable  restrictions in the interests of public order, and we have a long series  of cases interpreting what that means. I think that would speak to your  concern.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:53&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @ Shanmukh: See also the arguments that Raja Rammohun Roy  made as fas back as 1823 about the freedom of the press, when the  colonial authorities were using the same argument about Indians not  being ready.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:53&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The government has Section 69A to prevent mass exodus type situations. Am I right?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang: Yes, and that is an important concern but you must note  that even during the NE exodus, the government exceeded its brief and  even blocked websites that were trying to quell rumous&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Sam&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Yesterday's column from readers editor had some suggestions on stopping  rumors being spread via SM. I think, those kind of methods will go a  long way in stopping falsehoods being spread than banning content and  sections like 66A&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:54&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Eric&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;@Lawrence Liang. Precisely. One has to be cautious of underestimating or  belittling the input from regular users of the subject. Giving more  deliberative platforms can only encourage participation and education of  its users.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:54&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;A case will be governed by the law applicable on the date the offence  was committed, unless otherwise stated. Therefore, I think the ruling  will be prospective only&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:55&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Neel&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;What is the weight that precedent has in our legal system? For instance  what will it take for a judge to say the previous judgements on sedition  are too restrictive?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang: We are totally a precedent based system, but preedents  can be enabling and restrictive, so the way it develops is through slow  processes of comparing and distinguishing&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:55&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Neel&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;What is the weight that precedent has in our legal system? For instance  what will it take for a judge to say the previous judgements on sedition  are too restrictive?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:55&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @ Guest Yes, I think that's correct.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:55&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Shiva&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;What does the judgement imply for posting adult/sexually explicit/pornographic content online?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang: It does not affect that: We have obscenity laws under  the IPC as well as special obscenity provisions within the IT act that  deal with it&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:56&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Utkarsh&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;SC proves how powerful our democracy is. It is good that citizens are  free to post anything they want now, but shouldn't we try to teach the  people their responsibilty with this freedom?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:56&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: Geetha your thoughts on that?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:56&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Vikas&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Rather debating we should demand action on such people who in real sense  do the offending act via speech and social media, arresting some body  who has just shared some views is not right.....&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:56&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @Neel It's a hard question. I don't think a Supreme Court  bench will be able to directly overrule the sedition case. That was  decided by a five-judge bench, and so you;d need a seven-judge bench to  actually overturn it. I think what we can try and argue is that in the  50 years since the Court upheld sedition, the foundations of that  decision have been so greatly undermined by succeeding cases, that at  least in 2015, sedition is unconstitutional. It's a hard argument to  pull off, but I think it's worth a shot.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:57&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The population has moral responsibility to not spread rumours over SM  &amp;amp; the citizens need to be mature enough to not take everything too  personally. You have the choice of ignoring what you deem offensive. If  any of the above fail, it is because the society has failed, not the  legal system.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From zenmist&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;what if i get cyber bullied ! Do I have any recourse now ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;5:59&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From kkamal&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;implementation still a matter of concern&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang: Certainly, and esp for the intermediary guidelines.  Often when a court reads down a provision, rather than striking it down,  there is a gap between the law and enforcement&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @ Zeminist yes - for instance, under criminal intimidation provisions in the IPC.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:00&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Can we not issue guidelines for social sites like facebook twitter and  others to filters such content from being posted(I think it'll show some  pop-up in general.?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:00&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Geetha Hariharan: @Utkarsh: Perhaps. However, the freedoms enshrined in  out Constitution say our freedom of speech and expression can be  restricted by the government only under specific circumstances: see  http://indiankanoon.org/doc.... The _government's_ restrictions on  speech must abide by these - whether they teach citizens what is  (morally) right to speak or not is different from what we have a right  to say. As Gautam has mentioned before, Article 19(1)(a) gives us the  right to "offend, shock or disturb".&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:00&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @ Guest - the problem with filters are that they are *invariably* over-inclusive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:01&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Vibhu&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;This decision once again upheld citizen's belief in the constitution and  the Supreme Court. But this power also comes with an added  responsibility to the citizens to be sensitive towards the emotions of  communities and other sections of the country.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @Vibhu Absolutely. This is why it's important to make a  distinction between two important ideas - the fact that it is your  *right* to do or speak in a certain manner doesn't always mean that you  *ought* to speak in that manner.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:02&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Negi Gaurav&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Striking down 66A is good for democratic values and citizenry  expression. It will enhance the power of common mass and will affect  political procedure. Free speech is fundamental right of Indian citizen ,  However judicious use of right is necessary to check hate crime.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:03&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;We appreciate the verdict... It was much needed but there still is a  question still unanswered, why do we need judicial activism to strike  all those laws that are pushing us back by several decades. If such laws  are always have to be decided by Supreme court, what do we have  legislature for?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:03&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Pankaj&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;A welcome judgement by SC today. Section 66(A) was indeed an  uncontitutional provision which accounted for few arrests considering  the arbitrary and vague terminologies. But, certainly regulation of  speech over internet should be regulated in a more robust and  comprehensive manner&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:04&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @ Guest To be fair to our parliaments, legislatures all  over the world restrict speech, and it falls to the Court to correct  them. Legislatures are composed of human beings like us, and often,  because of the position they are in, they tend to overestimate the  dangers of free speech, and underestimate its importance. But that's why  we have a constitutional court. :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: If taken to its logical extreme, does the SC verdict mean that anything goes on the internet?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:07&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Serendipity&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;@The Hindu: Free Speech is not absolute. There are always restrictions. It depends on how the law is drafted.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Vibhu&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;@Hindu. No not anything goes on the internet. All elements like  pornography, abuse, etc which are illegal in general sense also applies  to the internet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:08&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: @TheHindu No. The SC expressly says that speech which  bears a proximate relationship to any of the 19(2) categories may  legitimately be restricted. Many of the speech-regulating provisions of  the IPC do just that. These provisions are agnostic towards the medium -  for instance, defamation will be punishable whether it happens offline,  or over the internet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:08&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From charan malhotra&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;our Sc lifted great barricade in the freedom of speech.. but even if any  one explicit n posts the images of others n morphing ? then what could  be the next step to take an action on those convicts?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Geetha Hariharan: @charan: Other provisions are still in operation under  the IT Act and IPC that can be used. For example: Section 66D (cheating  by personation), 66E , etc. I would urge you to look at Section 67, 67A  and 67B of IT Act as well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From manoharan&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;right to experss includes right to go online in thought&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:11&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Geetha Hariharan: @TheHindu: No. Restrictions placed under one or more  of the conditions under Article 19(2) of the Constitution are legitimate  (online and offline). Also, offences under the IPC (Sections 153A,  295A, 292) continue to apply. As also the offences under the IT Act,  which target online speech (Sections 66E, 67, 67A and 67B, for  instance).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:11&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: By the way, as an aside, I'd like to add - this judgment  is extremely lucid and accessible, and really eloquent at times. Do read  it. 123 pages sounds like a lot, but it's easy reading - shouldn't take  more than an hour.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:09&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Lawrence Liang: @The Hindu Not at all, we still have all of the good old  speech restrictive laws including in the IPC, it is important to  remember that even in the past 66A cases, they have rarely been filed in  islation, and are usually accompanied by 124A, 153A or 295A of the IPC&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:09&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Dhruv&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;A Great Decision to uphold Free Speech. We do not want to be Police  State like CHINA but our Indian legislators are slowly taking the  country far from Democracy and denying civil rights to civilians. Great  decision from Supreme Court. This is a lesson for the indian politicians  who think they can play with our fundamental rights and impose their  narrow mindset on us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: Thank you all so much for joining the chat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:14&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: The panellists and readers!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:15&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Geetha Hariharan: Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:15&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Gautam Bhatia: Thank you!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;6:15&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: And for making this a lively and informative debate. Watch this space for more live chats on emerging issues.&lt;/p&gt;
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        For more details visit &lt;a href='http://editors.cis-india.org/internet-governance/news/the-hindu-march-24-2015-live-chat-win-for-free-speech'&gt;http://editors.cis-india.org/internet-governance/news/the-hindu-march-24-2015-live-chat-win-for-free-speech&lt;/a&gt;
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    <title>Live Chat: For a neutral net</title>
    <link>http://editors.cis-india.org/internet-governance/news/the-hindu-april-15-2015-chat-for-neutral-net</link>
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        &lt;b&gt;How much do you know about net neutrality? How does it affect you? &lt;/b&gt;
        &lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;This was &lt;a class="external-link" href="http://www.thehindu.com/specials/chat-for-a-neutral-net-net-neutrality-in-india/article7105135.ece"&gt;published in the Hindu&lt;/a&gt; on April 15, 2015. Pranesh Prakash participated in the chat.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Join us at &lt;i&gt;The Hindu&lt;/i&gt; for a live chat at 5 p.m., today with  Pranesh Prakash from Centre for Internet and Society, Vijay Anand from  The Start Up Centre and Sriram Srinivasan, &lt;i&gt;The Hindu's &lt;/i&gt;Business Editor - Online.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;Here is the transcript of the chat:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;The debate on net neutrality&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Hindu:&lt;/b&gt; Hello and welcome to The Hindu's live chat on net neutrality in India.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Hindu: &lt;/b&gt;We have with us Pranesh Prakash from The Centre for  Internet and Society and Vijay Anand from The Start Up Centre joining us  today!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Hindu:&lt;/b&gt; Also on the panel is The Hindu's Business Editor Online - Sriram Srinivasan who will be moderating this discussion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; Hi Sriram, thanks for having me on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; Hi Pranesh, thanks for joining us&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand: &lt;/b&gt;Thanks for the invite and looking forward Sriram.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; The topic of the day is proving to be of huge  interest to the public. Pranesh, do you want to start off outlining why  Net neutrality is such a big deal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; Welcome Vijay, thanks for joining us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; Vijay, would like to have your thoughts on the  Net neutrality issue too. And how do you see the recent events,  starting from the consultation paper that Trai published?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; Sure, I'll get started as Pranesh puts together his  thoughts. In the past few years if you have noticed, entrepreneurship  has taken off with a boom. And I'd credit it mostly to the nature of the  web - the web being open and allowing anyone with an entrepreneurial  thought to build a solution over it. Considering the various constraints  we have in a country like India, being ranked over 100 in a list of 146  countries when it comes to the ease of doing business, the fact that  the internet is the equaliser has been a huge relief. Thats been  recently threatened when Airtel forced TRAI's hand in putting out that  118 page consultation paper. Though, the issue has been brewing for a  while now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; Today, we no longer live in a world of “roti,  kapda, makaan”, but in the world of “roti, kapda, makaan aur broadband”.  Telecom regulation and net neutrality has a very important role in  enabling this vision of Internet as a basic human need that we should  aim to fulfil. According to the IAMAI, as of October 2014, India had 278  million internet users. Of these, the majority access Internet through  their mobile phones, and the WEF estimates only 3 in 100 have broadband  on their mobiles. Thus, the bulk of our population is without broadband.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; All ICT regulation should be aimed at achieving  three goals: achieving universal, affordable access; ensuring effective  competition in an efficient market and avoiding market failures;  protecting against consumer harms.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; We have sort of taken the openness of the Internet for granted isn't it!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash: &lt;/b&gt;Given that background, net neutrality is the  principle that we should regulate gatekeepers like ISPs to ensure they  do not use their power to unjustly discriminate between similarly  situated persons, content or traffic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; Sriram, we have. The internet by default is open. Thats the way it was built as well, and by nature, carries it through.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; Pranesh, Vijay, were you both surprised by the kind of reactions that have come in to the Trai paper?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; Currently, ISPs get to play gatekeepers: they  can throttle speeds for any service, they can say that a service they  don't like (such as WhatsApp) should have to pay them more money to  reach their customers (or that customers ought to pay more money to use  WhatsApp), etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; Well, the Internet has generally been an  unregulated space, but the carriers -- those on whose pipes the Internet  gets delivered -- have always been highly regulated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash: &lt;/b&gt;So, no, the openness of the Internet (by which I  guess you mean the unregulated aspect of the Internet) cannot be taken  for granted.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; Just to highlight the issue in a more stark  manner, what do both of you see as the best case scenario and worst case  scenario facing us now?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash: &lt;/b&gt;No, I believe that the kinds of responses to the  TRAI paper has attracted are predictable. There is a large group of  people (including me) who believe the TRAI paper is incredibly biased  toward the telecom industry who want greater regulation of "OTTs" like  WhatsApp and Facebook and Flipkart.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; What is unexpected is the volume of responses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; Sriram, there has been hints of this coming quite  sometime back infact. Folks like Nikhil Pawa from Medianama has been  raising flags about this issue for almost a year. I dont think it was  the TRAI Paper that stirred the waters much as Airtel announcing the  differential pricing to charge VoIP calls that woke people up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; More than 5 lakh responses have been sent in so far!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; I agree with pranesh. We thought we'd do  phenomenally well if we got 10,000 folks to write to TRAI. As of now  thats crossed 500,000.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; That's huge!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; Vijay is referring to Airtel's decision to charge extra for VoIP apps, which they rolled back immediately.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; Sriram, they sneakily announced the plan a day after  Christmas, hoping everyone was on holidays. But yep the backlash  started almost immediately.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; At that time, Airtel said they were waiting  for more clarity from Trai. And then Trai's consultation paper was  released around the end of March.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; The worst case scenario is that we have TRAI  &amp;amp; the govt setting regulations to enshrine "net non-neutrality" or  "network discrimination". The best case scenario is we have TRAI and the  govt setting in place good net neutrality regulations and creating an  effective marketplace for competitive zero-rating.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; Pranesh, could you elaborate on what an effective marketplace for competitive zero-rating would look like?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; That's a complicated question... but let me give it a shot.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; IMO, thats leaving the web as is. Operators not taking a call or having the power to decide, but letting users decide. :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; Readers will remember that plans like  internet.org and Airtel Zero are zero-rating plans, where some select  sites are allowed for access by subscribers free of charge&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash: &lt;/b&gt;Leaving the web as it is, for me, isn't a viable  option, since currently operators (who are *gatekeepers*) have the  power to decide winners and losers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; Zero-rating is the practice of not counting (aka  “zero-rating”) certain traffic towards a subscriber’s regular Internet  usage. The zero-rated traffic could be zero-priced or fixed-price,  capped or uncapped, metered or unmetered, subscriber-paid, Internet  service-paid, or unpaid. Further, depending on the terms, zero-rating  could be competitive or anti-competitive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; I believe that anti-competitive zero-rating (for  instance, Airtel zero-rating it's own Hike chat service's traffic)  should be prohibited.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan: &lt;/b&gt;Pranesh, what do you think about internet.org?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan: &lt;/b&gt;Thanks Vijay, this is very useful&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; Internet.org provides free access to a range of  Internet services. I hate that they are calling it "Internet.org", when  they don't provide access to the whole of the Internet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; But having said that, Internet.org (for which no  operator gets paid) could be competitive or anti-competitive depending  on the existence of regulations to ensure a competitive marketplace.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand: &lt;/b&gt;I agree with Pranesh on that bit. The name is a bit  misleading, and even papers reported it as facebook's web, or facebook  giving the Internet for free.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; But isn't it surprising that criticism against  it has been muted, compared to say Airtel Zero. Is that because of its  message that it wants to reach out to those who aren't connected with  the Net?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; And the good side of Internet.org is that it  provides access. That, as I pointed out earlier, is one of the three  goals of ICT regulation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand: &lt;/b&gt;Sriram: It could also be that there arent a lot of  subscribers on Reliance, as compared to Airtel, Vodafone and Idea, which  i believe has close to 75% of the user base.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan: &lt;/b&gt;Let's also remind readers that this isn't a  fight confined to India. It's happening all over the world, each with  their own unique issues. The one in the US was the most high-profile and  recent and would be fresh in everyone's mind.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash: &lt;/b&gt;I think the reason why people view them as being  different is that Airtel Zero is explicitly commercial but Wikipedia  Zero and Airtel.org are non-commercial (in that they don't pay Airtel or  any other provider for carrying their content). But I, personally,  don't think this should make a difference.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Sabiya &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;What is the scope of zero-rating vis-a-vis important government websites?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Vijay Anand: Its something to think about. And i think this proposal  will get floated. But one has to think about Net Neutrality from the  perspective of "is this person who is picked, the best person to provide  the service (forever)". In the future, i somehow anticipate that it  would make far more sense for the government to build the fundamental  system and build APIs that other entrepreneurs can build front-ends to,  rather than them ending up more clones of IRCTC. Does that answer your  question?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Sankar &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;Is net neutrality the socialism of the internet world? Is it sustainable on a long run?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; 1. I don't believe it is socialism. In fact, the  most important concept that underlies Net Neutrality is competition  law. 2. It is sustainable in the long run, since discriminatory  practices hurt competition, and harm consumers as well. In fact, not  having Net Neutrality will be unsustainable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand: &lt;/b&gt;Sankar: Quite the opposite, it is the platform that enables a free market. In that sense its democratic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;How can we make sure that neutrality is made public in India like US or  Canada did. What should we do about it? I understand that all ISP have  power to decide the winner but its also about consumers who has to pay  more to get basic requirements done in right way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; If the policy makers and protests that are going on  do their job, we will have a net neutrality policy. Canada doesnt have a  net Neutality policy by the way. Only 7 countries in the world do.  Canada isnt one of them. In a way we are ahead of this trend.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Ravi &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;In a country which is democratic, how can one be more free in communication can the other?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; Well put. But do remember that rich people *are*  currently more free in communicating with others than poor people since  the rich have greater access to the platforms of communication.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; IMO, I am opposed to zero rating, because saying we  want to give access to the "poor" for free, sounds a lot like the aid  model. I am not a big fan of that, since I havent seen many who have  been weaned of that. An entire continent of Africa has been subject to  that. You are right, if you ask me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Nayan &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;I hate technology. So why should I still be bothered about Net Neutrality&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan: &lt;/b&gt;So that your voice can still be heard.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash: &lt;/b&gt;To ensure that when Airtel offers you "free  Internet" it isn't in fact locking you up in a walled garden of a few  services instead of the Internet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Pranav &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Should we not put pressure on the government to amend the Telegraph Act,  1885 instead of focusing on TRAI? An amendment to the act would ensure  that net neutrality remains rather than just focusing on consultation  papers by TRAI.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand: &lt;/b&gt;Pranesh would know how to answer this best.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Abhinav Goyal &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;To save internet from the general perception "more you pay easier it gets for you" , neutral net is essential.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; If we dogmatically oppose all zero rating, then  it will take much much longer for Internet services to trickle down to  poor people. So as things stand, the more you pay, the more free you  are. And if you're poor, you're not free to access Internet services.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Guest &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;how is airtel zero similar to net non neutrality. isnt it like  OLX/quicker who return search result with preference to their paid  advertiser&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; Yes. or a Google for that matter. But unlike the  operators who are the gateway to the internet, OLX and Quickr both have  to fight to better their experience for folks to come to them in the  first place. Take the case of Google for example, if you are starting to  get better search results in bing, you might switch. But operators  could dramatically alter the way that goes, when they start  prioritizing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; Stated as a general principle, I don't think  those two situations are alike. In economic jargon: OLX/Quickr don't  exhibit as strong a network effect as Airtel does, and thus are lesser  "gatekeepers" than Airtel. So them showing preferential treatment to  some matters less than when Airtel does it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; Airtel Zero is similar to Facebook, though. Not  to OLX/Quickr. Facebook exhibits huge network effects, and the shifting  costs (to VK or Sina Weibo) are huge since the people and businesses you  want to reach are present in Facebook but not on VK.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Guest &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Could you please explain in detail what are all the possible ways in  which Airtel Zero could unduly make money if the platform is given the  permission to operate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; If you say come up with an idea to start a music  service - or prefer Gaana.com or you listen in Saavn or rdio, but Airtel  says data is free if you use Wynk, which would people prefer? Thats the  issue. Operators could have the opportunity to pick winners, (based on  who could pay), whereas the web, being an open platform was always about  the best solution winning.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; It could make it difficult for internet start-ups to compete with incumbents, therefore.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; Three potential problems which are closely  linked, are cross-subsidization, tying (anti-competitive bundling) of  multiple services, and vertical price squeeze. All three of these are  especial concerns now, with the increased diversification of traditional  telecom companies, and with the entry into telecom of companies that  create content. Hence, if Airtel cross-subsidizes the Hike chat  application that it recently acquired, or if Reliance Jio requires  customers to buy a subscription to an offering from Reliance Big  Entertainment, or if Reliance Jio meters traffic from Reliance Big  Entertainment differently from that from Saavn, all those would be  violative of the principle of non-discrimination by gatekeepers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Abhishek &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sir dont u think always and everytime there is a protest when something  emerges which is out of conventional stuffs......this protest culture is  holding back India to develop a healthy competitive culture.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; Who is protesting, usually has a lot to say. At  times very very good things come out of protests. thats the way  democracy works. Doesnt it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; There are some modes of protest that I didn't  agree with (down-voting the Flipkart app on Google Play Store and on  iTunes, eg). But what's wrong with protest?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From abutiger@gmail.com &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Panel members : &lt;/b&gt;Can any members explain what is Net Neutrality.  In what it is going to effect the net user had the new law come in to  force? Thank you. Abu&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; Abu, there is no new law yet. There is a proposal  from the operators asking for differential pricing based on a few  factors. You can read that 118 page proposal on the website. At the  moment, the government is considering both sides of the argument.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; Comments on the paper can be sent till April 25. And counter-comments close on May 8.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan: &lt;/b&gt;Apologies, it should be April 24&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Badri Narayanan &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;How is net neutrality in developed nations? Does it work differently there?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand: &lt;/b&gt;Only 7 countries in the world (pranesh can correct  me if wrong) have a policy in place. it is assumed that by default the  internet is open and neutral. Its only when that is challenged that we  need a policy in place, so that there are no grey areas.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan: &lt;/b&gt;Also, even in developed countries, the telecom  companies do keep complaining about OTT services, the apps, and how  they are cannabalising into their business.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From kasthuri rangan &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;I support the TRAI suggestion as it will put an end to unwanted sites that spoils the youth and waste their tiem&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; I'd agree, but one can do that on a more individual  household level, rather than on a national / network level. Who decides  what we consume?  What if tomorrow the government decides everyone  watching youtube is wasting their time, or watching cricket should be  doing something better. That starts to tread into censorship - which  infact is a totally different matter altogether.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan: &lt;/b&gt;Totally agree with Vijay.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From RAJAT &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;My question is that why the ISPs want to disrupt the ongoing net neautrality?/&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; To make more money :) Even though their revenues are doubling every year from selling data services.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash:&lt;/b&gt; Currently net neutrality doesn't exist. So ISPs can't destroy it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Amit Jha &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;Who owns the Internet and where does money come for its maintenance/expansion etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; Amit, thats a brilliant question, Worthy of going  into Quora infact. Its a long answer. The core of the web is managed by  an organization called iCANN which is infact a confederation. However  the extension, hosting, services etc are put together by virtually  everyone and anyone. You can plug a computer into the internet and  decide to be a server or a consumer. That's the beauty of the internet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan: &lt;/b&gt;You might want to read a very interesting book  called 'Tubes' by Andrew Blum. It is about "a journey to the center of  the internet." The author wanted to understand the physicality of the  Internet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Jyotiranjan &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;In the garb of net neutrality are the companies like whatsapp, skype  getting their business without paying licencing fee where as telcos had  to pay substantial sum for doing business?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; It's a completely different business model.  It's tech that has enabled of lot of these things, in the same way that  telcos can now play a part, albeit small, in the banking industry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand: &lt;/b&gt;Jyoti, In a way yes. But skype or whatapp still  doesnt work unless we pay for the data through which all of this rides.  So infact even when we use skype and think its a free call there is cost  of bandwidth associated with it. With the fact that the call is no  longer circuit switched by packet switched, the charges that the  operator claims they incur are also eliminated. its a far more efficient  system.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From VA &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;If airtel is providing free access to certain websites, I welcome that. I  already have access to other websites via other service providers for  which I pay. I don't understand what is this fuss all about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash: &lt;/b&gt;This can be a good thing if it doesn't harm  competition. If it harms competition, then in the long run, it is bad  (even if immediately consumers think it is good). Think about predatory  pricing: http://www.ictregulationtoo... Consumers might like predatory  pricing in the beginning, but that allows for a company to squeeze out  competition and then raise prices later. Harming competition is harmful  for consumers in the long run. That's why we need to ensure that we only  allow competitive zero-rating.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; I agree. Users will want this. I Would want this.  But the truth is, when you think about it from the other side, of people  who are building companies, and coming up with new ideas to make things  better, it makes it an uphill battle.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From sapan &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;i would like request to Trai. do not give Net Nuutrality&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash: &lt;/b&gt;Why do you think it would be harmful? Protection  of consumers from harm is something you oppose? Ensuring fair  non-discriminatory competition is something you oppose? I'm unclear why.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; Sapan, I presume you mean the other way around.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Hindu: &lt;/b&gt;Thank you Pranesh, Vijay and Sriram for all the replies!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vijay Anand:&lt;/b&gt; It was a pleasure. And thanks for having me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Hindu: &lt;/b&gt;Is there anything else you'd like to say before we close this chat?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Pranesh Prakash: &lt;/b&gt;Net neutrality is the principle that we should  regulate gatekeepers to ensure they do not use their power to unjustly  discriminate between similarly situated persons, content or traffic. It  is a democratic principle (in line with the right to equality in our  Constitution) and it is important for freedom of speech and expression.  Let us ensure that through effective regulation of competition we can  ensure a free and open Internet that is accessible by all!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sriram Srinivasan:&lt;/b&gt; Thanks! Also, readers, would be great to treat  this as a consultation process initiated by Trai. There will be  different points of view. It's not like a usual protest. It's just to  find the right way forward for us. Also, please do participate in the  process, whatever your views.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Hindu: &lt;/b&gt;Well said! Thank you to all the readers who followed  and participated in this live chat. Do connect with us on  Twitter/Facebook for more questions and discussions on this topic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body"&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Hindu:&lt;/b&gt; Thanks and have a great evening!&lt;/p&gt;
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    <title>Live Chat: Aadhaar: An identity crisis? </title>
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        &lt;b&gt;The Aadhaar card is not compulsory for citizens and "no person should be denied any benefits or ‘suffer’ for not having the Aadhaar cards issued by Unique Identification Authority of India," the Supreme Court ruled on Monday. &lt;/b&gt;
        &lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The live chat was &lt;a class="external-link" href="http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/the-debate-around-aadhaar-card/article7003376.ece"&gt;published in the Hindu&lt;/a&gt; on March 17, 2015. Sunil Abraham took part in the discussions.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Four years after Aadhaar was launched – and touted as a panacea to  access social services and subsidies – its users continue to be dogged  by an array of problems ranging from technical glitches to procedural  delays. And those who do not have an Aadhaar card find themselves  quizzed by government authorities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Hindu&lt;/i&gt;’s Tamil Nadu edition today &lt;a href="http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/issues-in-obtaining-aadhaar-from-glitches-to-lack-of-forms/article7000268.ece" target="_self"&gt;highlighted the challenges&lt;/a&gt; ordinary citizens - both those who have cards and those who do not –  face, be it from non-availability of application forms or glitches in  the biometrics process.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;We will be hosting a live chat on Aadhaar at 5 pm today. You can pose  questions and share your views with Sunil Abraham, Executive Director of  Bangalore-based research organisation, Centre for Internet and Society;  K. Gopinath, Professor at the Computer Science and Automation  Department at the Indian Institute of Science (IISc) and The Hindu’s K.  Venkatraman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Anon &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;What could have happened such that the current government, who were once  in the opposition, were members of the parliamentary committee that  strongly opposed UIDAI, now suddenly wants to use it everywhere? What  could have transpired such that the PM got so convinced that it would  help its citizens more than it could potentially harm?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sunil Abraham: &lt;/b&gt;Usually the party that is in power is  pro-surveillance and anti-censorship and the opposition is pro-privacy  and pro-free speech. After the elections - if the parties swap positions  as a result of the mandate - then they usually also swap positions on  surveillance and censorship. This phenomenon is not specific to India.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;K. Gopinath:&lt;/b&gt; The leakage in the current models is very high. Hence, the attraction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The issue earlier was whether there was some costs to the use of sw  (esp. proprietary) from outside the country. Probably, these have been  addressed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Saurabh &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Aadhaar was supposed to be a good 2 factor authentication mechanism, what happens to it now ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sunil Abraham:&lt;/b&gt; Aadhaar architecture was designed to allow for  multiple authentication factors. Unfortunately biometrics is a poor  authentication factor since it cannot be revoked. Any two-factor  authentication scheme where one factor is biometrics is in reality only a  one-factor scheme. Pin code as with credit cards and debit cards would  have been much more secure for authentication.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;K Venkataramanan:&lt;/b&gt; It will continue to be relevant, but is unlikely to be mandatory for quite some time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;K. Gopinath:&lt;/b&gt; Real-time 2-factor auth (biometrics, signatures) are not easy, esp over Internet, and would require a much longer rollout&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Saurabh &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I did not get Aadhar for myself or my family. Does this mean, I will not have to as yet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sunil Abraham:&lt;/b&gt; As per the UIDAI - Aadhaar is not mandatory. Also  according to the latest remarks from the Supreme Court - Aadhaar should  not be made mandatory without enabling law. But many state and central  government agencies have ignored the comments made by the SC and have  made Aadhaar mandatory for various programmes and schemes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Hindu:&lt;/b&gt; Is Aadhaar virtually redundant now following the SC order? Nothing more than an expensive experiment?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;K. Gopinath: &lt;/b&gt;I think it will be used as an addl auth mechanism  (just like elec./ph. receipts). May be once the technology is demo'ed  properly (it has not been done seriously anywhere else), it will be  taken up again.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Abubacker &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I am an NRI and need to have Aadhaar Card? How to obtain Appointmet - I am from Tuticorin, Tamil Nadu&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;K Venkataramanan:&lt;/b&gt; Your family member or representative living in  Tuticorin may apply for Aadhaar through the local body. It may be  possible to get a date for recording biometrics. However, you have to  come down here for recording biometric details.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Kishore J &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Why is Govt. not able to legalize the Aadhar, I'm assuming the only  reason Supreme court keeps blocking it is because its not a law passed  by Parliament ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;K. Gopinath:&lt;/b&gt; SC goes by the constitution. If there is some concern someone is being "excluded", they will block it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sunil Abraham: &lt;/b&gt;The NIA bill was proposed in parliament and then  referred to a Standing Committee. Our summary and detailed feedback to  the Bill is available here: http://cis-india.org/intern... The Standing  Committee harshly criticized the Bill. See:  http://164.100.47.134/lsscommittee/Finance/42%20Report.pdf After which  the Bill has not been reworked by the UIDAI or the Planning Commission  /Niti Aayog for re-presentation to the Parliament.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sunil Abraham:&lt;/b&gt; No - it is not just an expensive experiment. It is  much more dangerous - it is what security experts call a Honey Pot. A  centralized repository of biometrics harvested from residents of India.  These biometrics can be used to authenticate transactions in the UIDAI  database and other services. If there is a breach - then this huge  collection of authentication factors will end us in the hands of  criminal elements or some foreign state.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From vaz &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Aadhar is a joke, i have so many IDs and i cannot get any benefits out  of it, it is simply wasting time, if Govt really want mandate make it  easy for people, i pay taxes and Govt should treat me like one , i can  not waste my time standing in queues to get that card, get me time slot  and don't waste my time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sunil Abraham:&lt;/b&gt; This is because the process of registration has  been outsourced to private agencies. These private agencies have futher  outsourced to others and so on and so forth. Consequently, there is very  poor management and quality control by these agencies. If indeed  corruption was a priority - we should have tackled high-ticket  corruption first. We could have had biometric registration just for only  the politicians and bureaucrats. We could use biometric authentication  with them to create a non-repudiable audit trail of subsidies flowing  from the Centre to the Panchayat. Unfortunately, we tried to register  everybody simultaneously and that has resulted in poor quality of  biometrics and demographic data. We have visited some of the  registration centre and have seen the reality on the ground.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Guest &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I have been threatened by Gas Agency people if i don't link Aadhar to  Bank Account, won't be given a refilling cylinder.Is this a right one?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;K Venkataramanan:&lt;/b&gt; There is an option for getting DBT even without  Aadhaar. The bank account and the gas agency consumer account can be  linked without Aadhar. Please check www.mylpg.in for knowing how to  apply for DBT registration without Aadhaar&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Hindu: &lt;/b&gt;Your views Prof Gopinath? Do you see it as a biometrics Honey Pot too?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;K. Gopinath: &lt;/b&gt;From a security pov, it is certainly risky. It needs  really robust technologies before one can think of rolling out. For  example, we have "denial of service" attacks. ie, a service can be shut  out by random bombardment of msgs. Most curr large scale systems are  designed to handle it but some cannot handle it if large numbers  collude. This only prevents access to service but other attacks can  exfiltrate (take out) data, modify data, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Hindu:&lt;/b&gt; And Mr. Venkataramanan, your thoughts?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From kuldeep singh chauhan &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;We need a strong law for data security. Aadhar is collecting data but  there is no provision except some provisions of IT Act and IPC for data  security.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;K. Gopinath:&lt;/b&gt; Yes, the legislation is weak or unnecessarily vague  (eg. the IT2000 act) or too broad in scope. I think what we need is a  citizen's charter for data access, security and privacy. Also, what  needs to be done when systems do not work!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sunil Abraham:&lt;/b&gt; There are two interpretations of Sec. 43A of the  IT Act. Acccording to most experts it only applies to Body Corporates in  other words it does not apply to the Government when it plays the role  of a data controller. According to an order issued by the IT Secy of  Maharastra [the court of first instance for 43A of ITA] -this section  will also apply to the Government. But beyond that order we have no  clarity on this question.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Pavan &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;With no privacy laws, isn't it a bad idea to store citizen's data in a  database? We all know how inept our government is in ensuring any  security/privacy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sunil Abraham:&lt;/b&gt; With or without laws. Centralized approaches to  identity/authentication management are much more fragile and vulnerable  compared to decentralized options. The Internet is secured by digital  signatures - there is no centralized repository of all these signatures.  Therefore there is no centralized point of failure for the Internet. If  the Aadhaar project was based on Smart Cards instead of Biometrics -  then just like the Internet it would be robust without a central point  of failure. http://cis-india.org/intern...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;K. Gopinath:&lt;/b&gt; Storing all info in a single place is a big security  risk. It needs very robust technologies (such as replication and  "secret sharing protocols") that work inspite of failures. These have  been done here and there but doing it on a large scale requires care.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Kunal Soni &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;SC Adhar card recommendations, ok Got it! But what about the banks for  example SBI who ask for adhar cards stating its the bank's rule? Who's  going to answer the question as they would never listen to common man  and they never did.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Sandeep &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Hi,May be it is a strong message, but what exactly is the need to  make/introduce the Adhaar card, which is not recognizable worldwide? Why  dont we make our passport smart enough and reduce it to a chip as in  Europe. This will also enable everyone to get enrolled in our  administrative system. Basically, we are only repeating the entire  process with no international recognition.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Krishna Rao &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Need to make it mandatory in the lines of SSN in US. Else it would be  very difficult to manage and ensure the subsidies and benefits reach the  really deserved section.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Ramesh &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;It is a great concept it all information like property purchases, tax  returns, ration card, pf, esi, bank accounts , rail, air tickets are all  linked. will reduce corrupt practice considerably. It should be the  main identity of an Indian&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From arun &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;@Sunil what are the privacy safeguards that are in place currently  regarding protection of information collected by the government and  private agencies designated for this?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sunil Abraham:&lt;/b&gt; Do you mean legal or technical?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;K Venkataramanan:&lt;/b&gt; @The Hindu: Yes, there are serious privacy  issues involved in a centralised database. However, their is a  counter-view that this is no different from any other data base  available in the hands of the government such as the one relating to  PAN. The main concern of those worried about the privacy problem in  Aadhaar is that data collection is done by private agencies, and details  such as biometric data could be misused&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Hindu:&lt;/b&gt; Sunil, a question for you from arun&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Pawan &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Govt should give it legal recognition and give legal guarantee about the  usage and storage of the data... After that there would be no concern  related to identity security or enforcing it on the people.. People  would trust it and come forward to register for it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sunil Abraham:&lt;/b&gt; Legal recognition and guarantees are not  sufficient. You cannot use the law to fix poor technology design. The  security of the Internet is not a function of good law. It is a function  of good technological design.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment From Pappan &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;the so called Europe, US an other developed countries already have  Social security numbers, why cant we just look at it like that?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: Social Security Number are an additional identifier. The  database just contains a collection of identifiers. If that database is  compromised the information cannot be used to authenticate transactions.  This is very unlike the UIDAI centralized database which is a  collection of authentication factors. Think of it as a database filled  with the passwords of all Indian residents.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;K Venkataramanan: @Kunal Soni - SBI can't insist on it as of now. The  person who issued any circular to that effect may be hauled up in court&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I have two questions. First, why is the honourable supreme court strking  down aadhar, on what grounds? Second, how can the government come  around those objections and allay the courts fears/objections? The  informed panelists may please give their opinions too. Thank you&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: There are 3 sets of petitioners who are being heard by  the SC in the combined case. Some of them associated with the right are  arguing that the UID is a threat to national security as it legitimizes  illegal immigrants. Those associated with the left are arguing that it  is a violation of the right to privacy. Still other who are ex-officers  from the armed forces are arguing that the project is mired in corrupt  practices.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;K Venkataramanan: The Court has not struck down Aadhaar. It has only  passed interim orders protecting the access to services of those who  have not yet had them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Aashish Gupta&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Aadhaar was supposed to usher in portability of benefits. That is, you  could migrate to a different state and still get the benefit you  deserved.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: The Aadhaar database only contains information that  identifies you and also allow you to authenticate against that database.  It does not indicate eligibility for various schemes/subsidies. The  migration across State level eligibility lists has to be done by the  State. It is not a functionality provided by the UIDAI.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Ramesh&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Supreme Court should have suggested a better option instead of coming  down heavily on the Aadhar Card. The card will straight eliminate  multiple rations cards and voter ids.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: The previous technology adopted by the NDA government -  smart cards or SCOSTA [for the MNIC]. This technology option is free  from many of the flaws of UIDAI's current design.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Mrigesh&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Why is Aadhaar needed? I am for a middle class or for the elite class?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Geetha&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Has the government (or concerned agencies/departments) formulated any  policy on using the Aadhar information collected? For instance, what  agency can use the information, under what conditions, with whose  approval, for what limited purposes? Is this policy publicly available?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: No. Anyone who is approved by the UIDAI as a legitimate  can use the KYC API. Absolutely anyone can use the Authentication API.  There is no policy on what data collection/retention practices must be  adhered to by the users of both these APIs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Arun Jayapal&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Has the government ever considered/analyzed a way to link the existing  resources (such as ration card, DL, passport, voter id, etc.,) and not  have come up with a completely new system (aadhaar). Is this not an  absolute waste of time and resources?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: Yes, you are absolutely right. The government should have  used biometrics as a means to dedup an existing high value database  like the Electoral Rolls or more importantly the PAN Card database. That  would have been better RoI for our anti-corruption Rupee.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;K Venkataramanan: @Ramesh The Court has come down heavily on only  officials who insist on Aadhar for delivery of services when there are  clear orders that it should not be mandatory&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From George J&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I'm an NRI. I presently work and live in a country where the first order  of business on landing/Birth is to register one self and get a unique  ID number and ID. This the case for expats as well as residents be they  foreigners or Citizens. The registration process includes collection of  Biometric data. This single No and Id is used for everything from Bank  Accounts to School Admissions. It is good that India is doing something  similar. It is high time people with multiple ration cards, Passports  and the like are weeded out and provided a single verifiable identity.  Data Security is of essence and necessary safeguards are available.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: Could you name the country? And can you use biometrics  your country to authenticate transactions in a centralized database for  all sorts of transactions? If yes, then the technology design in your  country is as poor as in ours and it is only a question of time when the  centralized database leaks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Aashish Gupta&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Apart from the Honey Pot, Aadhaar does not serve its primary purpose:  tackling corruption. Most pilots of Aadhaar have crash landed, and as a  result, state governments have created their own simpler systems to  tackle corruption.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: See: http://www.thehindu.com/opi... If the authentication  match is not working [1:1 match]. Then basically the dedup will not  work [1:n] match. That is why they are doing demographic dedup before  biometric dedup - because they know that the biometric dedup is  fallible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Balu&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;A citizenship card , backed with a strond database is a must for every  citixen . Some serious thoughts should be done in this matter at the  earliest , instead of wasting time and money on different schemes .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: We should use decentralized Internet scale technologies  based on open standards that are already proven. If we had used smart  cards based on SCOSTA or EMV standard we would be in a much better  place.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From PRASHANTH&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Has the government (or concerned agencies/departments) formulated any  policy on using the Aadhar information collected? For instance, what  agency can use the information, under what conditions, with whose  approval, for what limited purposes? Is this policy publicly available?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From vikash&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;supreme court should not have to push such legal hurdles given that the  750 million card has already been generated.A lot of money has been  investad in the project&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Saket&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Aaadhar card is full of errors. At the place where I got registered  person was issuing it in a hurry which creates lots of typing errors in  DOB and Place.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Aashish Gupta&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The supreme court has not struck down aadhaar, it has said that aadhaar  cannot be mandatory. This is to make sure that people who do not have an  aadhaar card do not miss out on their entitlements.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Ramesh&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Aadhaar should be made mandatory with necessary safeguards. Unless there  is an ultimatum and time frame to get the card it will never be  implemented. Even now many do not know where to get it done.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Aadharam&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Could you clarify whether this is an interim order or a final order on  Aadhar? Is there scope for a retraction/shift on the Supreme Court's  part?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Onkar Tiwari&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Why supreme court doesnt understand Adhar is necessary? it can curb  corruption. it wll reduce corruption specially in manrega where people  enters fake details and grab the money.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;K Venkataramanan: It is only an interim order. The Court will,  hopefully, resolve the questions raised by the petitioners about privacy  and data security issues&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From George J&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I have taken Aadhar Card. The procedure asks the applicant themselves to  verify the data entered for typing mistakes etc. before being uploaded,  in fact where I registered they had asked for a sign off on the final  data on a printout. So how errors can creep in is beyond me. However the  photography equipment and skill of the data entry operator leave much  to be desired as the mug shot is not very kind to me!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;There should be a guide line which need to be followed as it is in the  hands of private partners who are also ask for bribe from the poor  people for the aadhar and they have no other option to pay for it as  they thought that this only can help them to get the govt. facilities  and subsidies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;K Venkataramanan: @Onkar Tiwari, It is up to the government to convince  the court that Aadhaar will help curb corruption, and how. The Court is  unlikely to stop the use of technology to improve delivery of services  and curb corruption.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From v subrahmanian&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;help line over phone and the email correspondence is total waste.. they  themselves are helpless. Any query has never been replied to the  caller's satisfaction. Getting them on line itself is a challenge. It's  so complex. Of course, every eligible citizen of this complex country  must have the identity card. Why not if it is done through employer in  case of organized salaried employees?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Ramakrishna Rao&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Hi !! I request the panelists to kindly sum up in few 4 or 5 points the  reasons/grounds on which the parliamentary committee has rejected the  aadhar&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The agencies who are collecting data for Aadhar Card are not doing good.  The aadhar card is full with many kind of errors including Name and  DOB.. Even a person is able to register twice under this scheme.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: Mr. Venkataramanan would you like to respond to Ramakrishna Rao?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;@K Gopinath - how robust is the de-duplication UID claims to have. And  in real time transactions, is it possible to authenticate n request  without 'false positives' or 'negatives'?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;K. Gopinath: Dedup claims assume “good” conditions. For example, a  farmhand may have rough skin, etc that may make the fingerprints  problematic. 1% errors have been reported in the past. Real time txns: I  think the current Aadhar is not geared for it. The connectivity is not  there. Also, with fingerprint technologies, the ability to check large  number of fingerprints for a match is not good enough. It has never been  scaled to the extent that is being planned.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Sandeep&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Still not sure if Aadhaar then other ID cards not needed ? Or Still all  along with Aadhaar ? then what is meaning of Aadhaar ? Only for LPG  connection? Why not govt making Aadhaar is mandatory in all other fields  as well , As Govt spent huge money for Aadhaar&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;@ Sunil - How plausible is the idea that govt can use UID data to profile public?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Sushubh&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I for one is very happy that at least the Supreme Court is not falling  for this privacy infringing scam. People defending this card here on  this platform needs to read more about it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Govt. created panic among public regarding adhaar. Public is highly  annoyed with the way the government is handling this adhaar project.  Only court reprimands,govt. backtracks as far as the adhaar is  concerned. It is high time for govt. to have serious insight into this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;K Venkataramanan: The parliamentary committee on Finance had objected to  the UID being extended to non-citizens on the ground that it may end up  in illegal immigrants getting Aadhaar numbers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;It had also questioned the rollout ofthe scheme before legislation was  passed. It had objected to its implementation without regard to its  consequences.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Srinivasa&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I believe Nandan Nilkeni had mentioned certain very good examples of the  system flagging duplicates. So I assume the system is robust. We need  to make it mandatory for all services delivery and have suitable policy  and technology to protect data.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: I don't think we can go by the assurance of someone no  longer associated with the project. It is not persons that keep us safe  it is proper technology and law.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: Welcome back Sunil! Lots of questions await you&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;K Venkataramanan: The committee had said UIDAI had no conceptual  clarity, no proper assessment of the costs involved, and that it could  end up in the hands of private agencies, that the technology was  untested and the UID may not meet the objectives for which it was  conceived&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: Sorry I was logged out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;There was a recent news in The Hindu about linking of Adhar cards to  election voter ID cards in Andhra Pradesh. Do you think that adopting  such moves by every state result in mandating the procedure eventually?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;First Passport then PAN , voter id and now adahar, in any country there  is only passport and SSN, why india needs so many identity cards&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;K. Gopinath: The PAN database has been problematic just as the voter id.  Hence, every technology cycle, a new system is usually attempted that  attempts to be "better" than the before. However, this requires care  which is not in good supply in the govt where the "lowest" bidder wins  or outsourcing happens.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: We have Prof Gopinatha back too. Sorry about that technical glitch.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Deepak Vasudevan&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Why are different apex agencies managing Aadhar like UIDAI, Census and  NPR? There should be one root (apex) body and others should report onto  it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: Yes. The division of work between UIDAI and NPR is not very clear and has added to the confusion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;K Venkataramanan: The parliamentary standing committee, too pointed out the overlap of functions involving UIDAI and NPR&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: There was this question for you earlier on the thread @K  Gopinath - how robust is the de-duplication UID claims to have. And in  real time transactions, is it possible to authenticate n request without  'false positives' or 'negatives'?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;K. Gopinath: Dedup claims assume “good” conditions. For example, a  farmhand may have rough skin, etc that may make the fingerprints  problematic. 1% errors have been reported in the past. Real time txns: I  think the current Aadhar is not geared for it. The connectivity is not  there. Also, with fingerprint technologies, the ability to check large  number of fingerprints for a match is not good enough. It has never been  scaled to the extent that is being planned.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;When Union Of India aimed to greater transparency... these are the road  blocks they get... If Aadhar is not mandatory... then make Voter ID, PAN  Card, Ration card also not mandatory in their respective Govt  Businesses ... make self declaration as mandatory .. lets go to the  stone age in this Information age. Instead SC should direct the center  to come up with procedure to accommodate legitimate citizens of India  into the scheme in a time bound manner and frame policies to avoid  misuse of the personal data. are we looking the current world  Information age thru the same old glasses... it is time to adopt the  change...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: Indeed we need more transparency. But privacy protections  must be inversely proportionate to power and as Julian Assange says  transparency requirements should be directly proportionate to power See:  http://openup2014.org/priva...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;K Venkataramanan: Linking Aadhaar and voter ID cards is also being tried  out in other states It is only one more means of eliminating fake  voters or duplicates, but is unlikely tobe a ground to make Aadhaar  mandatory&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Ganesh&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;@Mr.Sunil, The current technology adopted for UIDAI is not good compared to last regime?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: Please see my our open letter on this question http://cis-india.org/intern...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Madhavan R&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Just because UPA government bring this, its not good for NDA to object  it.. STOP wasting our money.. Just try to make best out of it..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: Pouring more money into a failed project will not save  it. It has serious technological flaw and without addressing it we are  just making a bad situation worse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From George J&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Currently all embassy's are collecting biometric data when you apply for  a visa. Most of this collection is done by private parties on behalf of  the respective governments. So if an Indian has travelled abroad the  chances of his Biometric data being available to foreign govts is 99%.  So what is the big scare about this? The need that it should be secure  and should not be misused is sacrosanct. with the kind of revelations  that have been made about mass eavesdropping I think people should get  used to living in glass houses!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Pappan&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;@Sunil, please clarify about your comment on technology inadequecy&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Yuvaraj&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I strongly support Adhaar card implemenataion. intially they may face  challeneges but for the long run its very effective mechanism to monitor  every thing&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: Monitoring everything means you monitor nothing. The  bigger the haystack the harder it is to find the needle. Good  surveillance practices means targetting survelliance not en masse data  collection.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;It is heard that privacy of citizens is at stake with adhaar card. can panelists respond to this?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: I have dealt with your question here: http://www.business-standar...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Srinivasa&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;That comparison of the two standards (SCOSTA and Aadhar) made  interesting reading. Why not a system where you collect biometrics and  iris and then issue a SCOSTA card? the biometrics and iris can be used  to remove duplicates and maintain a clean registry by failing the  duplicate SCOSTA cards. And all further transactions will only need a  card based access.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Loganathan&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;This is one the worst move by any government in the center to remember.  With no motive for the card, they introduced just to add to the loss in  exchequer and there is no benefit out of it. Many have wrong data  entered against their name and totally the waste one of all&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Sabari Arasu&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;I am aware of someone who is not Indian citizen got Aadhar card for  himself and his family. This scares me a lot as anyone(read  Bangaladheshis, Sri Lankans, Pakintanis, etc..) can get Aadhar card. Is  there a measure taken by Government to identify these issues?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: This is possible because the technology [biometrics]  cannot verify citizenship. Even worse biometrics can be imported from  foreign countries and can be used to create resident ghosts. This is  because the technology cannot even verify if the person in India. We  will need surveillance cameras at every point of registration to take  care of this possible fraud.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Chandra Sekhar&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Aadhaar card was a huge opportunity for the government to improve the  efficiency of governance.It was a challenging task and required great  amount accuracy.The way this project was executed is a question mark on  efficiency of governance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The Hindu: Sunil, Venkatramanan, Gopinath - would you agree that Aadhaar  was an opportunity to improve governance? @chandra sekhar&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Freebee lovers/netas will always oppose when you want to implement some thing which might deny them the benefit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: Any evidence to backup this statement?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Comment From Guest&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;if the ASDHAAR is nt necessary as per SC then why everywhere it is being preferred identity such as Subsidy, Passport etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="body" style="text-align: justify; "&gt;Sunil Abraham: Preference is not the same as a mandatory requirement.&lt;/p&gt;
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        &lt;b&gt;Vanya Rakesh attended the LITD-17 committee meeting (committee on Information Systems Security and Biometrics) organised by the Bureau of Indian Standards on 23 September 2016 in Bengaluru. &lt;/b&gt;
        &lt;p style="text-align: justify; "&gt;The agenda for the meeting included presentation of the draft data privacy standard for India which was proposed before the BIS and its members. Elonnai Hickok and Vanya are a part of the drafting committee for the same. The draft standard was accepted by BIS and would now be circulated for further comments. &lt;a class="external-link" href="http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/files/litd-17-committee-agenda.pdf"&gt;Click here&lt;/a&gt; to read the Agenda.&lt;/p&gt;
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